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02 Mar 2010

Are You Really Sure about that Price?

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setting price on productsThis is the first installment of a 3 part series in which I’ll be discussing the cost/value association and why most of the time, perceived value has nothing to do with the product itself. Enjoy!

I’ve been paying to product launches for around 2 years now, and throughout this time I’ve seen products launched at anywhere between $7 and $10,000.

What’s interesting about this is that some of these $7 products were worth far more than a few dollars, while some of the $2,000 products were worth much less than the price they were asking.

But I don’t think that matters, and here’s why…

It is my theory that the content of the product actually has nothing to do at all, with the value of a product.

How can this be? Surely there’s a correlation between product content and perceived value right? I mean, a $2,000 product should definitely be better than something that sells for $500…shouldn’t it?

I know it hurts to hear this, especially if you’ve purchased a lot of high dollar products, but the answer is no…not always and quite honestly…not very often.

Why Value isn’t Content Based

So here’s the deal…I believe there are 3 ingredients in the formula of perceived value, and we’re going to go through them one at a time.

1. Price

This one should already be obvious, and it’s the simplest one to discuss.

As consumers, we automatically assume that a higher price tag equates to a better product. We believe that high prices are equal to high quality.

At a store near you

It’s why name brand clothing sells better than Wal-Mart clothing. It’s why a fancy steakhouse can charge double what a casual fare steakhouse can. It’s why an iMac costs twice as much as a PC.

Sure, there are times when the quality of a product matches the price, but not as often as you’d think. For instance…the quality of a Wendy’s hamburger is better than that of a McDonald’s hamburger, and as such, people don’t mind paying more.

But I’ve paid for name brand clothes that fall apart within months, while some of my sturdiest and longest lasting jeans were bought on clearance at Kohl’s.

In the Content Marketing Game

I paid $27 for a course called “Get Money From Google” that was one of the best marketing courses I’ve ever purchased. On the other hand, I spent $2,000 on Mass Control and received far less value.

But here’s where it gets interesting…

You’d think that when this happens that people would get upset. But usually it’s the opposite that happens. In an effort to feel good about their purchase and not get disappointed, many people will find a way to rationalize the price of high cost items.

They’ll say…”well, it’s Frank Kern, and he’s making millions…so yeah…it’s definitely worth $2,000.” They’ll watch the videos 10 times in order to extract value that wasn’t necessarily there in the first place. They’ll lie to themselves so that they don’t feel guilty for buying it.

On the other hand, for some reason, when people pay $27 for a product from someone they might not have heard of…they’ll complain about the value.

“27 bucks? For this $hit? Gimme a break!”

Price Chooses Customers

And that brings me to the next point, which is that in setting your price a certain way, you attract a certain type of customer.

When you charge $7 for something, you are going to attract customers that are tight with their money and that hate spending money on info products. But if you charge $700 for the same thing, then you’re going to attract people that are willing to invest and realize that they’ll also have to put in some work to become successful (getting them to do the work…that’s another story).

Creating an Association

When Andy Jenkins sells Video Boss for $1997, he’s implanting a high value association in the minds of his customers, and in the process, he’s attracting a group of people that don’t mind spending a few grand.

Were he to charge $197 for the same course, he might’ve sold more (doubtful), but I guarantee you that his refund rate would’ve been higher. Why?

Because people that buy higher priced items are a different type of customer than those that take a few hours to make the decision on a $197 course, regardless of how much money it could make them in return.

On the other hand, a $2,000 price point creates buzz, exclusivity, and a desire to be “part of the club.”

Buying is Psychological, Not Rational

None of this has to do with content, which is why marketing is much more psychological than it is rational.

When you set the price, you set the value and in doing so…choose the customers that you want to work with.

That’s why $47 for Beyond Blogging worked much better than $17, and it’s why I sell my premium Claiming Your Destiny guide for $9.95 instead of giving it away.

There aren’t any absolutes

Lastly, I’ll mention this only because if I don’t some of you might get upset and think I’m bashing you or your favorite products.

Yes, there are many different types of customers, and just because you are one today doesn’t mean you won’t be another tomorrow. It’s nothing to be ashamed or afraid of…it’s just the way it works.

Also, this isn’t an excuse to overprice products or to provide low quality content. It also doesn’t mean that the products mentioned in this post aren’t good…I’m just using them as an example.

The point I’m trying to make in all of this is that sometimes, it’s better to raise the price than lower it, and if you are trying to get to the next level in your business, you will need to get comfortable doing that.

Still not convinced? Well, in the next installment of this series, I’ll cover the 2nd way to increase perceived value, which is in the launch itself.

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  • jewelrysecrets

    Interesting. I'm getting ready to launch an eBook in the next couple of weeks, and I have been battling with price. It's not an easy thing to nail down. Especially when you're dealing with a non-tangible product. I like that higher values attract a different customer, that's very intriging and good to know. But how do you really come up with an itinital price? With my product they could save thousands… Plus, I'm selling a package deal with the eBook that includes some very useful items. It's all new to me.

  • http://www.shadesofadream.com/blog/ Heather

    I can see the validity of your argument… but I'm still not sure how that'll equate to my own ebook (it's about 3/4 finished and some of it was released in post form before). I was initially going to charge about $7-8 for it because it was already partially released and it's aimed at students, but now I'm wondering if a little higher might not be better.

    Uncertain. Guess we'll have to see.

  • http://nathanhangen.com/blog Nathan Hangen

    Prices are usually a gut feeling, but you've also got to factor in affiliates, demogrraphics, and your reputation.

    What kind of customer are you selling to? Who are they and what do they do? Narrow down your target audience and I think you'll have a good idea where to start split-testing from.

  • http://nathanhangen.com/blog Nathan Hangen

    Well, it really depends on the type of product and who you're selling it to. Yes, college students don't have a lot of money, but they always find a way to get some cash together for the important things. Just make your item a “must have” and you can easily charge more.

    What's the topic/content, if you don't mind me asking?

  • remarkablogger

    I love that line in your post: “Price Chooses Customers.”

    That's the truth.

  • http://www.theinfopreneur.net/ TheInfoPreneur

    Hey Nathan,

    It feels like you are writing these posts for me sometimes lol, great advice.

    I think it's important to get this right in your opinion is it better to have products that attract all the different parties?

    For example I will have my membership pages for a low monthly fee, then the tutorials and $20 a go then the services up to around $350-$500 ish?

  • http://www.shadesofadream.com/blog/ Heather

    It's actually a step by step tutorial on making a scene with falling feathers in 3D software (particle systems, texturing, lighting, and some minor animation). As I said I got about half way with writing it as posts, but it was pretty messy since it wasn't the right medium for that sort of thing… If I had to guess it'll probably end up being between 10-20k words long with screenshots for each step of the way.

    Each part so far has taken upwards of four hours to write, so as an estimate on time once it's finished it should be about 45 hours of writing work, plus more for editing (trying to give an idea of length/quality because I'm assuming that'd matter too).

    3D Students in general are used to spending more money on tutorials, but there's also a whole load of similar 'types' out there (ie makings of) for free, some of which by industry professionals. Makes it hard to price really :)

  • http://jenfongspeaks.com Jennifer Fong

    This is a very interesting post, and timely for me. I've been working under the impression that I'll sell more, which will make me more in the long run, with lower prices, but now that you're talking about the type of client you attract, I need to rethink this. Thanks for the food for thought!

  • http://www.mikeslife.org Mike CJ

    I love the self justification part! Reminded me of when I was a corporate dude, and pretty much every item of clothing I owned was by Hugo Boss. I always justified it to myself with stuff like “It lasts longer / it's fits so much better / it marks me as successful.” Looking back it's all bullshit – bit it felt right to me at the time.

    It's so true that pricing sets the customer type – it's finding that fine line of content versus value, and volume versus profit that's so hard for people to establish.

    It's one of the areas I'm really looking forward to getting into with the Beyond Blogging project participants.

  • http://blogtechguy.com/ Joel Williams

    Very interesting perspective. Looking forward to the next part too as there are many examples. For one the diamond industry has something to teach us all about perceived value having little correlation to actual value!

  • http://www.RoyNaim.com Roy Naim

    High five for this.

    For years I been saying that all I need to do is design some jeans…call it by my name and charge people 200 bucks for it. When you “raise” the value of it by price..you are telling me (to their mind anyway) that this is a must have.

    When it comes to products, people may charge more, like you say, in order to get the serious minds only. You don't want someone to buy something and go out and scream bogus…so what do you do…charge a crapload for it and people will shut up. Why? Because it's A&F.

    At the same time, when something is cheap, people will say you get what you paid for instead of complaining.

    The one thing Apple done right is they have people sell themselves to them (we mentioned this once). People started rationalizing why it's OK to buy it. Their girlfriend will like it, fits nicer on the desk, no viruses, better this or that etc etc etc. It's all in the name and price.

    BTW…how is your Apple?

  • http://nathanhangen.com/blog Nathan Hangen

    Wow, that's a lot of work on what I'm sure is an outstanding product. $7 or $8 seems ridiculously low, unless you have a backend upsell or something that can support the amount of work you've put into it.

    There are things free all over the place, but packaging it in a nice way can make a really big difference. It's why we buy books, magazines, and other consumables. Price it high…you can always run a “sale” if you have to :)

  • http://nathanhangen.com/blog Nathan Hangen

    Can be a hard lesson to learn too…

    “Why are all these people asking for refunds? I thought it was a pretty cheap price…”

  • http://nathanhangen.com/blog Nathan Hangen

    You really can't answer that until you know what your audience looks like. What they do, how old they are…how far in the journey…why they want your product.

    It's much less about the price than you think.

  • http://www.shadesofadream.com/blog/ Heather

    Well the original plan was to make that the standard price for 'making of' things, and have a higher price for more comprehensive guides… But I think I'll have to agree, it's probably way too low!

    Back to the drawing board again I guess :) thanks Nathan!

  • http://nathanhangen.com/blog Nathan Hangen

    oddly enough, I sell more products when they are priced around 50 bucks and up. I've tried a lot of price points, and $17-$27 or under is a tough market.

  • http://nathanhangen.com/blog Nathan Hangen

    There was this clothing brand called Structure that I always used to insist on buying because it was trendy. The clothes fell apart all the time, but I always found something to blame it on…I was too rough, the laundry service, spilled something on them…etc.

    Yeah, this is something we'll hit pretty hard in the BBP, especially since it seems many people struggle with this.

  • http://www.aTadbit.com/ Tad Wolfe

    Very good post Nathan, you made some valid points about what people buy and why. I feel most people do not think before they buy and if they understood more about the psychological reasons behind their buying decisions they would make better choices. As you brought out we all want to be part of the group and we tend to allow or emotions to get involved.

  • http://nathanhangen.com/blog Nathan Hangen

    Yeah, those damn jewelry stores…so much pressure!

  • http://nathanhangen.com/blog Nathan Hangen

    celebrity brands are blatant examples of this. It's crazy…what really gets me are $200 purses and clothing that is not only expensive, but also look terrible.

    the Apple is great. Now that I've learned more about how to use it, I find myself using the PC less and less.

  • http://twitter.com/daliburgado Dali Burgado

    You are right on the money here! No pun intended lol Awesome article. I'm a fan!

  • http://nathanhangen.com/blog Nathan Hangen

    The group effect is a huge motivator…we all want to be part of that cool kids club. I've been guilty myself.

    To be honest, I've had a harder time saying no to products priced at $1997 than I have those at $20-50…

  • http://nathanhangen.com/blog Nathan Hangen

    puns are welcome here :) Thanks for the note!

  • http://www.RoyNaim.com Roy Naim

    I know exactly what you mean. They can charge up to whatever and just because they paste their name on it…they can make it any way they like it. Just because they can…powerful eh? And sad.

    Apple becoming your friend. Looks like they got another one. LOL.

  • jewelrysecrets

    lol heyyyyyyyyyyyy now…. :)

  • http://agilnetwork.blogspot.com/ Samuel Rodriguez

    Even in intellectual products you can calculate the price range: Add all the related costs and that gives you your breakeven point. Calculate a reasonable profit. How many items you expect to sell?. Divide it and you get your initial price. Then,
    depending on the market niche you can increase or drecrease the price, but with a sound base.
    The extraordinary success comes when you write a bestseller, your income multiplies exponentially.

  • Dan Martin

    I'm new to your list and becoming a fan. Pricing a product is a conscious choice to attract your desired customers and to attain the desired positioning of your brand. I'm looking forward to your follow-ups.

  • http://www.babystepstofluency.com/ Fiona Verschoor

    Great post, like usual.

    I can tell you right now that if I get something for free or cheap, I usually look way less into it than if I pay for it. As a dirt poor college student, every penny matters, and if I pay for it I put all my effort into using it.

    Take for example, the Blog Masters Club. If I didn't have to pay to use it, I probably wouldn't use it or maybe just quickly read the modules and do what pops out at me. Because it cost me about $400, I read every module several times and actually do everything it tells me to – and it's easily one of the best investments I've ever made.

  • http://www.nextlevelblogger.com/about Christian Russell

    wow…what a great, thorough and accurate commentary on this phenomenon. i don't know what to say other than that I totally agree. packaging is everything and value is 100% subjective. Pricing is purely a marketing angle…I don't think a lot of marketers play it out that way, and it's a missed opportunity.

  • http://twitter.com/mikestenger/status/9896812316 Mike Stenger

    Are You Sure about that Price? http://tinyurl.com/ybq2h5v

  • http://nathanhangen.com/blog Nathan Hangen

    Thanks Christian. Although I think it's important for people to understand how this works, I think that more than anything, I want people to know that it's OK to price your stuff at a high price point.

  • http://nathanhangen.com/blog Nathan Hangen

    Thank ya :)

    I have dozens of unread ebooks and online courses on my hard drive. However, like you said, when I pay a shitload for something, I'm bound to use it.

    Actually, you didn't say shitload, but you get the idea.

  • http://nathanhangen.com/blog Nathan Hangen

    Dan, thanks…glad you found the place :)

  • http://nathanhangen.com/blog Nathan Hangen

    A lot of people forget about the profit part and just try to break even. That's a mistake. If you don't learn to associate your hard work with profit…then it's a recipe for quitting.

  • http://nathanhangen.com/blog Nathan Hangen

    haha, thought you would like that.

  • http://twitter.com/richlazzara/status/9900044393 Rich Lazzara

    RT @nhangen: #Webrepreneur Are You Really Sure about that Price?: This is the first installment of a 3 part ser.. http://bit.ly/c0Lhbp

  • http://twitter.com/jimijones/status/9901347549 Jimi Jones

    RT @nhangen wants to know: Are You Sure about that Price? http://bit.ly/aGigKl | Think about it!

  • http://www.nextlevelblogger.com/about Christian Russell

    I had a guest post on Blog for Profit dot com recently about this very thing, encouraging readers to double the price of their offering…or at least consider the possibility :)

  • http://happyandblue2.ca Happy and Blue 2

    That's probably the best description of explaining a price point I've read. Thanks Samuel..

  • http://happyandblue2.ca Happy and Blue 2

    First off it's hard to comment when I'm not sure what's coming in your next installment but like so many before me I will.

    There is a break point on price for me. Perhaps the break point is based a lot on my perceived value to me but it's also financial.

    To suggest that you get a group of people who take your course/forum etc. more seriously just because it costs more isn't really valid (as you also alluded to)

    To some degree it comes down to are you just trying to push products or are you trying to accomplish something. If you are just trying to make money then do you really care if it gets results for people. And if you are trying to help people solve a problem do you want to charge an amount that results in many people passing on it because it is out of their price range.

    I know this probably doesn't make sense so I'll give you an example.

    I just bought Beyond Blogging. And I paid $47 dollars for it. I wouldn't even have considered spending that amount if I didn't really trust that you and Mike would produce a great product. And I wasn't disappointed. Actually it was a great purchase decision.

    If you and Mike had set the price at $147 I wouldn't have bought it. I trust you and Mike to produce a good product but it's just out of my price range. The product still would have been just as good. And it still would have been a great deal. But it would have been outside the price range I personally could or would pay.
    So, I'd miss out on something great and you and Mike would lose a sale to someone who would really benefit from the book..

  • http://twitter.com/kevincumbria/status/9912569237 Kevin Tea

    @nhangen asks are you sure about that price? http://bit.ly/a1iSXq

  • http://agilnetwork.blogspot.com/ Samuel Rodriguez

    Thanks for your opinion, H&B2 :)

  • http://bloggersmarket.com/ Jeffrey

    Hi Nathan,
    Interesting! However, I personally am focused on providing solid content for a fair price. I WANT NOTHING MORE!
    Am I capable of producing a $1997.00 e-commerce product, …….. you bet I am!!!

  • http://twitter.com/marsdorian Mars Dorian

    Wow, this is by far one of the most useful articles I've read in the last months.
    I share the same opinion here.
    Humans are not rational beings.
    Your brand's value is measured by the perception you manifest in the mind of your audience.
    Coca Cola is not a soda; it's a lifestyle. Crazy-young-party-style.
    A Mercedes is not a car; it's a feel-rich luxury.
    People crave the emotion – the story – behind the product, not necessarily the practical value it offers.

  • http://twitter.com/beaconfunding/status/9928848171 Beacon Funding Corp

    Are You Sure about that Price? | Nathan Hangen http://bit.ly/aGigKl Another interesting pricing perspective from @nhangen

  • http://twitter.com/grangeweb/status/9938568635 GrangeWebDesign

    RT @mikecj: Really, really good post today from @nhangen talking about how you price your stuff: http://bit.ly/a1iSXq < worth a read

  • http://nathanhangen.com/blog Nathan Hangen

    I'm not discounting your limit…but what I am saying is that there are people out there that have higher limits. It's not a dig against you…it's a combination of hundreds of factors.

    But you are right…I'm not one to agree with pushing a product or a price point just to push it…as in…no reason to sell at 1997 just because you can. BUT…you can sell at that price if you are willing to combine every factor necessary to make it worthwhile (which we'll cover soon).

    Thanks for not only buying BB, but for giving an honest review. I appreciate that.

  • http://nathanhangen.com/blog Nathan Hangen

    Well then…you better get started :)

  • http://nathanhangen.com/blog Nathan Hangen

    Mars (love that name btw)

    You are spot on with the Coca Cola and Mercedes comments. It's not about the product…it is about how you frame it. People want to feel good about buying something…sometimes regardless of what it takes to make them do so.

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  • http://twitter.com/notaproblog/status/9961616148 Jordan Cooper

    When it doubt, price your product really high (and with a 7 on the end) – I believe that's what @nhangen says here http://bit.ly/aGigKl

  • http://twitter.com/searchtosales/status/9967573778 Search to Sales

    Some interesting ideas about price perception: http://bit.ly/a1iSXq (Thanks to @digitalfprint for the link)

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    RT @nhangen Are You Sure about that Price? | Nathan Hangen http://bit.ly/aGigKl – Some really great points!

  • spunkypr

    Pricing has always been a bit challenging for me, but reading this really inspires my thinking and changes my perception. Thanks for sharing!

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  • spunkypr

    Pricing has always been a bit challenging for me, but reading this really inspires my thinking and changes my perception. Thanks for sharing!

  • http://blog.mycollegesandcareers.com Shennan T.

    I'll have to agree!!!

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